Because I want to get out of [city] because when he finds out he’s going to absolutely go schizo.

When he finds out?

About the police and that lot and when they go to arrest him that’s it he’s going to go crazy.

So he’s going to be arrested?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They’sre going to arrest him. Yeah, they’sve hoping to take him to court over it. Yeah. So because he’s what is it they’sre saying it is, it’s sexual, oh god, sexual assault. Even though I was with him he’s still making me have sex with him for money.

Right.

And because he didn’st seem to realise I used to write it in my diary when he used to come and how much he used to give me.

Ahhh.

See I wasn’st stupid I wrote everything in the diary

Yeah, yeah.

how much he used to give me to get food and how much

Yeah.

and then when he stopped and he wanted sex and that.

Yeah.

I could even tell you what he used to wear everything. I d’sye know what I mean.

Right, yeah.

Yeah, I was very quick.

Yeah.

And there’s no way he could do me over.

Went to the police station and are you able to describe to me what happened there?

Well we went in and I said I want to talk to a female officer and they didn’t have any so I had to go out and come back an hour later when the female officer had started. And they took the children away and I sat down and I explained exactly what had happened and I still had bruises on me from the previous fight. So they obviously took details and they contacted the council, they found me somewhere to stay, so we went to stay in a hotel for nearly a week.

So that was from that evening.

Yeah, yeah. I phoned him the following day, not from the town we were staying but from another town, so I drove and I phoned him. And I think he’d been up all night and he was just in bits, and I said I’m not coming back. And he said, “Well you know can you come back, can you do the books?” Because I was doing the books for the business and I said, “No this is it, I’m not coming back.” And we had nothing, we literally had nothing. You know they say when people walk out they’ve got nothing, I had what I was wearing, my older daughter was in her school uniform and the younger was in her PE kit and they had nothing either because I couldn’st carry anything out I just had to leave. So we went to a charity shop and bought a load of stuff so they could wear something that day. And then, so that was the Saturday and then on the Sunday I went back to the police station, because they wanted a photograph of my bruises for their records just in case I wanted to prosecute him. And I asked for a police officer to come with me to the house so I could get some stuff and he came with me and he went in before me and my husband wasn’st there.

The police. So what was helpful or not helpful about what the police did for you?

Well there was an earlier involvement with the police which I didn’t mention which was that I had to call them to our house, because he was being abusive and they came and they kept him in one room while I packed in another so that I could take me and the children away. And as a result of that the local community policeman used to come into the shop occasionally and you know he’d buy something and we’d have a chat. But I found out later that he was checking up on me but I didn’t know it at the time.

So very subtle.

So that was good. It was nice to find out afterwards, I just assumed that it was part of his beat and he was coming in because he’s a community policeman and he goes to meet people. So it’s nice to know that actually there was a network, that, you know, people were talking about things that were important.

I called the police, they came there, I give the statement, come back home. The statement was so strong and so I even didn’st realise what I am telling, what really that can affect somebody. The officer called me within a few hours. She was a high command officer.

Right.

She read statement, and I said, That statement, whatever I said that’s tell the truth.s

Yes.

And she said she wanted to see me in home. I said, You can’st see me home, my partner is just sat outside the house, he can be any time there.s And she said, I won’st come in police dress, I won’st come in police car ‘s

Right.

I just wanted to see you.s

Yes.

I said, Okay.s I don’st know if she wanted to check my mind level, because the

Right.

statement quite, he put the knives on my neck, he

Yes, yeah.

had, was, was physically , it was too much, there was too too many things.

Yes.

She just wanted to see I made all these stories. Or I really am, I’m suffering with these all problems. She came home and she asked me many things and I replied this and that, my son is in this school, my daughter is in this school, one child is here with me.

She didn’st let me waste any second. She said, Where is your passport?’s She said Do you have any?’s I said, Yes somewhere here in the drawers.s

She emptied the whole drawer on the floor and she said, Pick up your things, you’sre going with me [laughs].s

Wow.

And I said, I can’st leave house without my children.s This is the only wealth I’sve got.s

She help me to grab my phone, charger, make sure I get the charger, make sure I get some travel documents.

She asked me to look if I have any money at in the home there was like a few moneyboxes of my children, I grabbed that money. She said, I promise I bring you your children, but you come with me.s I just wanted to leave that man so much.

Yes.

I even didn’st make sure my children come. She promised and she looked really convincing, I just left my house without them [crying].

Yes.

Having that fear, oh God my children are going to come or not.

And what about the police, you mentioned they referred you?

Yeah.

They referred you on. I mean when they actually turned up at the door, instantly what support did they offer you that was helpful or not helpful?

They were hilarious. They were wonderful. I had this great big policeman turned up and he was so lovely I nearly cried [laughs]. And he was actually the first person I’sd spoken to, which seems really weird that it would be a bloke. But he was actually just so nice.

Yeah.

And they and basically what it was, it was actually just like form filling in. Because he said, Right OK, I’m going to go through this questionnaire with you and I just want you to answer these questions. Like he didn’st ask me loads of questions or anything, he wasn’st sort of remotely touchy-feely, but he was really nice. And he just went through this questionnaire. And he just looked at me at the end of it and he said, Right, you know, you’sve really got a problem here. This is the questionnaire that we’sre given to do. This is, you know, we have had training in this, and he like just took me all through it in a very practical way.

Yeah.

And he said, you know, They to, he said like, To me, this is saying to me that you are definitely in an abusive situation and that you’sre not safe, da, de, da, de, da, you know, I really feel that it’s in your best interest that you are referred to this, this, this and this sort of thing. You know, like to say, We’sre going to do this and I’m going to go back and talk to the domestic violence officer for the area, and all this sort of thing. And he was, it was just totally practical.

Yeah.

And it was just, it was just so matter of fact that like, I’sve done the questionnaire. You’sve got a problem. It’s not your fault. I’m going to do this, right, and it was like wonderful. Because all the time, quite often when you talk to people about domestic violence, you feel like you’sre actually having to justify it.

Hmm, and he was quite clear, It’s not your fault?

Yeah, This is happening. This is our questionnaire. We’sve been trained in this. This is the results. That’s it, it’s decided [laughs].

So the specialist officer, did they get in touch with you?

Yeah I spoke to them, yeah, yeah.

It sounds like you had, so, a good experience with the police?

Yeah, I mean I think I was really lucky. I mean you know, I know other people haven’st had good experience with the police.

Yeah.

But yeah, you know, but this, this bloke was just like totally straightforward.

[Name of partner] was making, I’m sorry, sorry, he was making when the police will come, he would just shout, Is she a liar? And many times he would push away the police. When, well, he wants to talk to the police, he goes in the corner, they talk, and police would just look at me and it’s just like we keep quiet or something like, and I thought like, he, because he, there was a time I realised that probably, the truthful things he saying, or able to say, is, are very minimal. He twists facts around, he say, lying is a very comfortable very easy thing for him to do.

And he was just he was just spreading all of these kind of rumours about me being horrible. And, what he was trying, the police kind of, he would say that I’m the one who’s the abuser. I’m the one who’s hurting him.

So, were the police helpful to you at all or?

There were times when the police was helpful.

In what way?

And especially and I remember one police officer he spoke to me and he said, Just leave, you have to leave and he talked to me a very long time

Right.

for about forty minutes. And I think he did, he did change something in me a little bit, that was the first moment when I started to think that I need to do something

Right.

I felt very powerless.

Yes.

I felt lost, and I felt scared.

Yes.

And sometimes I would want to do something, but then I would change my mind and cave in

Right.

it was easier sometimes to give up.

Yes.

And I was getting very tired, mentally. It was just so many things, he would keep me on edge all the time. Like wake up in the morning and he would come around and he would pinch me, and just, or just, or would just say like, You horrible bitch, for example, I’sll kill you. He would whisper that into my, into my ear. Then he would lock me out in the garden, or he would lock me, us, my daughter and myself out, wouldn’st let us in, into the house.

So looking back at the help that you’sve got from different places, would you say the police, by and large, have been quite helpful for you?

Phew no. Perhaps some of them. I had one team come, and I ended up calling the police, calling the NSPCC. After I’sd told them about the hands down inside the leggings the police officers that came round, they said how it’s really rare for a father to ever abuse a child, their child, it’s almost unheard of. And so therefore that it was highly unlikely, and more likely that she was it that whatever he was doing was entirely innocent. So I called up the NSPCC the next day and said, Is this the case? And they just said, Absolutely not.

No.

You’sve obviously had just officers that are just not trained. So they got me in touch with the child abuse team and they made a referral to the police. And then those police officers apologised for their colleagues. But other times, the police up in [county] who are dealing with the child abuse thing, they’sve been brilliant, supportive in a very objective, you know, impartial way.

And women don’st realise that unless you can get you can’st get legal aid unless you’sve called the police. So call the police.

Yeah.

You know, and like, and then also the police need to be educated. I had them out here the other day because he sent me harassing emails, and this time he sent one to work and I told him in writing he was never to write to work. The police came out, said that, Yeah, but you wrote to him to tell him about this, which I was told to do by my barrister. He then kept emailing back. And the last one was like, You, you know, unless you forward these papers by return, and these are papers the court is supposed to send him, unless you send them by return I am going to tell the tell the judge that you’sve done this, this and this, and I fall back into the abuse, and think, I’m a bad person. I’m not good enough. Maybe I should be doing everything he says I should be doing. But [local DVA agency], I phoned up [local DVA agency]. They said, No, no, he’s abusing, he’s abusing this. Call the police. And I called 101 and they came. It’s like this, the word, It’s a domestic. This is domestic. The police can’st get involved. And it’s like, Unless he threatens to hit you then that’s it’s that, that’s nothing. I said, But I’m a few days away from a court case. I’sve been told that he’s trying to unsettle me before a court case and frighten me. And he’s got no reason, because he just has to phone up the court for the stuff. It’s not my job to pass court papers to him. But I was just told, Well, there’s nothing we can do. It’s just like nothing. You know, unless he threatens to hit you, then that’s it. And I’m like, Well, actually there, there are other types of abuse rather than just being hit. He is abusing me through fear and that’s wrong.

You’sre probably aware that coercive control has become a criminal offence?

But the police don’st recognise it.

I phoned the police, I said, He’s absolutely psychotic, he’s just told us this, just threatened this, that he’s going to pull us, drag us round the garden by our tongues. Please can you come and take him away? Anyway, they turned up a good while after. I had to phone them back up again. And it took me a lot of courage to use, to take the phone outside to phone the police, because if he’sd have found me talking to the police, oh my God, I think it’s dead time for [Participant]. So I, so I plucked up the courage, phoned, yeah, phoned them. They didn’st turn up, right, and he got more psychotic. And I phoned them again and they were like, Oh right yeah, we’sll send someone now. I’m like, Thanks. They turned up, they spoke to the children in front of my husband and they said, Are you OK? And he’sd calmed down. He was being Mr Charming at this point, yeah. My daughter put up this front of, Yeah, I’m fine. I’m not scared of him. That’s what she was saying, I’m not scared of him. and he was, he was like, Who’s phoned you, who’s phoned you? And he was being Mr Nice Guy. Like the boys were both sitting there, like I could tell they were scared, but somehow the police officers just were like they said to me, We can’st do anything now because he’s not actually done anything. He’s not physically hurt you so we can’st do anything, we can’st just take him away. I would have to go to court on Monday morning, get an injunction, get a court order against him, and that’s what, that’s all she could say.

How have they been helpful or not helpful? Do want to grab something?

No [laughs]

[Laughs]

No, they, they, they’sve been good. And the one that’s been around recently, he’s been excellent and he has said that they are a lot more clued up now on domestic violence and they obviously have more courses and stuff and they know what to look out for and they

Right.

the first time that they had emailed him to say Do not send anything, it is deemed as harassment. If you send anything else you’sll be prosecuted. He replied, It’s not harassment, I can do it. So, so they’sve got the measure of him already, they know that, you know, he is that sort of person a controlling person, and, so they know now what to look out for which, which is good. I think, that’s they’sre more, more aware of it. But like I said, at the end of the day I’sve got to wait for him to do something before I can report it.

Yeah.

And then if he’s good for like a few months they take it off and it all starts again. And, you know, you, it’s, instead of sort of saying that this person’s given me x amount of trouble over the years which has, it’s all been logged you know, can you just sort of put, say, you know, he’s not to contact me, you know, at all

Yeah.

unless it’s through a third person. You know

Yeah.

why, why can’st they do that? It, it’s my life, I should be able to say who can speak to me and who can’st.

I think the police could have done more earlier. They never told me about refuges.

They, they didn’st say

They didn’st .

they were, they came out to you

They didn’st tell me there was routes out. I only got, I had a leaflet when I went to the solicitor for the injunction he gave me a load of handouts and one of those was refuge and that’s how I got to know that they even existed. There wasn’st the Internet at that point, like there was now either, so police didn’st, they made me fearful that they’sd take the children.

Yeah.

Which made me not feel that I couldn’st approach them again.

Yeah.

So, yes, it’s blame, that you know, you could say there are children here but explain

Yeah.

it could have an effect, on, you know,

Yeah, so perhaps they could have had an additional role to play though in the time you were seeing

Yeah. They could have even said there were ways out, he wouldn’st know where I was

Yeah.

to be told that might have been a relief, finding out that years earlier. But, yeah, no, they didn’st say anything. In, in fact they brought him back home but, yeah, no, there was nothing.

No support offered?

No.

For you.

No.

He went crazy. He broke all the door handles trying to get in, shaking the house. I ran into my bedroom and I was banging on [neighbour]’s bedroom door, [neighbour] next door.

Next door, yeah.

Help, help, he’s coming for me. I knew he was going to get in at some stage.

What were you afraid was going to happen?

He was going to beat me really bad. I could tell by the rage of him shaking the whole house, trying to break all the doors to get in. The kids were still sleeping and I think, I believe they, they slept through it all, luckily, I think. So in the end he smashed this window. Blood all over the place. Came I had set up the camcorder, because I thought he was going to beat me up, remember.

Yes.

I was panicking. I thought, Set up the camcorder so I’sve got proof that he’s beaten me up.

That was good thinking.

But big mistake. He climbed back up and saw the camcorder on the windowsill. I think that raged him even more. And that’s why he smashed that, went straight to the camcorder in my room and was about to throw it at my head.

Gosh.

Yeah.

What happened?

So he smashed it on the floor in the end, so there was no evidence. Because obviously he came towards it. Then [neighbour] came. All the doors were broken and I couldn’st let her in. The only way was in and out of the glass area. She said, [name of partner], what the fuck are you doing? You’sve got your kids in here. What is wrong with you? And he’s standing there huffing and puffing, still got my phone in his hand, full of blood, all the glass all over the place. She said like, Get, go away. Give her phone, because she’s going to have to call the police for the window to get boarded up. Your kids are in there, for God’s sake. And he left. He got convicted again for domestic criminal damage. He just got a conditional sentence for that, slap on the wrist.