I suffered from, well I still suffer from fibromyalgia.

Yes.

Which is caused by stress, and can be made worse by stress. And the amount of pain when I was in the relationship was absolutely horrendous, and I was on painkillers all the time just to try and get through the day. And I found, every time I had an argument, every time that he wasn’t very nice to me, I would reach for the pill pot. And now, as a consequence of that, I’ve got a bad stomach because I was taking all these pills. It’s only yourself and your health further along the line that actually suffers. You don’t realise it at the time but, you know, the things that you’re doing, like I used to quite often just have a few drinks just to blot it out, I would use excuses, Oh I’ll just have a couple of pills, it’ll make me feel better, and all it was doing was just pacifying the fact that I knew that this wasn’t working. But I just didn’t know what to do, I didn’t know where to turn and it was just a really awkward situation. But

And in terms of the long-term impact on your health, and so you said you’ve got some damage to your stomach

Yeah.

due to the pill use for pain relief, was that over the counter or was that prescribed medication?

Prescribed.

Prescribed medication.

Prescribed, because they wasn’t really sure what was the matter with me, whether I had arthritis or whether I had the fibromyalgia. But it takes time for that diagnosis, because it’s quite difficult to diagnose.

So it’s when they’ve usually exhausted every other possible cause and all the blood tests keep coming back that there’s nothing wrong with you that they’ll then decide to, that that is fibromyalgia. And then I had, of course I could just have the pills on repeat prescription. I didn’t have to go to the doctor’s I could just phone up and get more pills. It was easy, yeah, and it was just pills, pills, pills, pills, pills. Nobody ever bothered checking [laughs] as to how many I was eating, how many I was having. But later down the line, now it’s had a real serious impact on my, my health.

So first of all then if you’re able to begin, by describing to me, telling me a little bit about your kind of abusive relationship.

Okay it started off controlling. So my partner wasn’st happy about me going out with friends and made me feel guilty about that and I didn’t realise it was controlling behaviour, I just felt sorry for him, I thought I won’t go out I’ll stay in. And then within a couple of years it became verbally abusive and then very soon after physically abusive. So that it would manifest itself in different ways. I had things thrown at me, I was suffocated, strangled, almost thrown downstairs, punched, kicked. Beaten and all sorts of different things like that.

And how long were you together with this man for?

13 years.

Okay, and that initial controlling behaviour of him not wanting you to go out and things when did that start into the relationship?

Probably about within a year of meeting. The physical and verbal abuse probably about eight years later. So there was quite a big gap between just controlling behaviour and becoming physically and verbally abusive.

So just, just reflecting back when did you realise, just thinking about the controlling behaviour, when did you realise that was abusive behaviour?

After I left him. I didn’t know that just being controlling was abusive behaviour. And I couldn’st step outside the relationship and see what was happening. I just thought he’s the sort of person that needs me around, I’sll stop doing what I want to do and be with him.

And we did finally split up. I sort of made it feel as though it was his decision that he’sd left. And not me telling him to go. But he still kept saying that, you know, he wanted me back and stuff and he, wouldn’st he kept coming back I found it hard just to keep the peace basically, I would sort of, you know, agree to him coming back and stuff. And then he attacked me when I went out one night for his son’s birthday and he didn’st like it obviously because I was with a lot of people having a good time and he attacked me in one pub and then we went to another pub and then he attacked me in that pub. So I went to court and got a non-molestation order against him. And he said he didn’st want that in court so he signed an undertaking. And then he breached that undertaking was when he attacked me and my new partner in the street.

And were you together in a relationship when he attacked you in the pub?

No.

So that was after the end of the relationship?

Yeah.

Was that a physical attack? Or

Yeah, he tried grabbing me in one pub when I was like, I could see he was angry so I went to the toilet and he tried dragging me out of the, the toilets. And then, when I went to the other one, he he hit me to the floor and luckily some people saw and they came and got me and sorted him out. So.

After the assault took place, because obviously I didn’st feel safe then because even though he had signed an undertaking to say that he wouldn’st come down my street, that’s where the assault took place

When you were in the pub, to, or with the

No, No.

assault with your husband?

Yeah, the assault with my husband.

Right, OK.

And it was outside my house.

Right.

So, and he wasn’st supposed to be there so, yeah, I didn’st feel safe so that’s when I went to the refuge and then we were there for about three or four months I think.

No, first of all, well he stopped coming home at night so I questioned him was he having an affair and he just said Yes. He said You’sre ugly, you’sre old I don’st know why I married you, I’sve got what I want, you’sre never here. Of course, I was never there because I was teaching. He then stopped working so he was in and out of jobs, obviously I was then earning more money and my younger daughter then started staying at friends, my daughter decided she didn’st want to live in the house and got a flat, when she was at university, she didn’st want to be around him and he was throwing me at radiators, throwing me downstairs, and who could I tell? I couldn’st tell my mum, I couldn’st tell my friends; it was never on my face and then one day I remember it was January again it must have been, he just beat me up so badly and I was covered in

I mean it was horrific, not on my face, and at 5 o’sclock in the morning I thought I’m going to go to the police but then that night he knew he’sd gone too far and he said if you go to the police I’m going to burn this house down with you and your and you know the language was foul, with you and your effing daughter in here, he said so it’s up to you. And I thought I’sve got to take the chance and I went to the police station, really early in the morning and I went to the desk and I said, I need to see somebody but it’s got to be quick, because he’s in the house and this is what he’s threatened. And I said, I want to show somebody my body. And they said you’sve got to go to your doctor’s first and I said, I can’st because I’sve got to get back and get my daughter to school. And that was it and they said well we’sre going to need the photos first we need your doctor’s report first.

So nothing happened.

Didn’st, I couldn’st go, because I had to make sure she wasn’st in the house.

Because, from what you’sre saying, that threat sounded very real.

It was, he has this look, this is what I’m still scared of.

Anyway, where we got married, just up the road from there he bought a house near his ParentsÕ house. And so I was, so I was all alone. But he, she (mother-in-law) was coming and going, she was coming and going a bit too much. All my in-laws were there in my house all the time just to, just to keep an eye on me. Now he, now he decided that he wants me to be kept an eye on. But this is after, after I questioned him. At four o’sclock in the morning I questioned him and he said he suddenly got, became angry and grabbed my neck and started squeezing my neck and said, If you ever ask me again where I’sve been, where I’m going, where I’m coming, when I coming, where I’m coming from, I will kill you. I said, Oh my God, what is going on here? I quickly made him let go of my neck. And then he said, If you have no right to ask me where I’m coming, where I’m coming from, but I have every right to ask you where you’sre going, where you’sre going with our children, whatever. You cannot go anywhere without my permission. That’s, those are the rules. Don’st ever ask me again where I’sve come from or where I’m going.

And what did you think about that when he?

I was scared to death. I was scared to death that he was going to kill me or something. I was nearly choking when he was trying to strangle me.

Yes, yeah.

Then shortly afterwards I just got, oh slowly he just started looking at me in a stern way all the time. He was being very stern with me all the time and nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty all the time.

What was the biggest, just during those years together, all of those years, all that abuse experience, what was the biggest effect, what was the biggest impact or effect on you and on your life?

Right OK, that’s hard to say, because I think it’s every little bit adds up. It’s like a building block, isn’st it? That, that I know that the main thing that happened was when he absolutely battered our daughter and really, seriously could have killed her. And the boys were there witnessing it, terrified and crying. One was saying, Daddy, stop it. You’sre going to kill her.

Yeah.

And I was just, I was really trying to stop him. I kept physically trying to stop him from hurting her. He was just hitting her all over and dragging her all around the house. And after that he said just to get me, I’sd calmed the kids down, got them all in bed and my daughter went to sleep quite quickly, I think she was exhausted. I know we should have gone to hospital. You can’st just leave, you can’st just leave. He’sd have killed us. He’sd have killed us. You can’st leave. Anyway after that he said if I ever told anyone about it he would find me and he did this, slit throat, he would slit my throat. And I remember him doing the action [laughs] so that kind of scared me a bit [laughs]. And he told the boys that he was very sorry – to get me, that evening, to get me to come out to leave the boys’s bedroom, he told me that he told the boys that he was very, very sorry about that and daddy shouldn’st have done that, and daddy won’st do that ever again. Right, he said that just to get me to come away from the boys. So I went in the dining room. And he said he just threatened me in a very calm, calculating way, which is even more scary. When they’sre calm and they threaten you, that’s so scary. And he said something like, I only said that to get you out of there, and then he threatened me with slitting my throat, he said, if I told anyone about it, about him battering our daughter. Yeah, that is scary when they’sre calm, that is terrifying.

He injured my back as well. That was the, the last time he really hurt me really badly. And I couldn’t, I really just couldn’t, for weeks and weeks and weeks I was having spasms in my back that would just come on and they were crippling. And when I went to see to the A&E department, I really thought he might have broken my back. And the evening he did it I couldn’t have even, if I’d have phoned the police I couldn’t have even crawled to the front door to let them in. I just couldn’t get off the floor. It was that I was just in so much pain.

Yeah, and did you have to endure any other physical injuries because of him?

Bruising round my neck.

When he lifted you?

Yeah, where he used to lift me. Split lips. I used to tell people at work that it would be my grandchildren sitting on my knee being a bit over-exuberant and bumped me. The odd black eye, walked into doors, cupboards, you name it. Oh, I lost teeth as well. I told people that I’d been walking out of the back door holding two cups of coffee and I’d tripped on the back doorstep and fallen holding two cups of coffee, and I lost bottom teeth. It’s just, just [laughs] one thing after another.

Was the abuse daily or was it weekly or random or ?

Honestly it was every two weeks. It wasn’st, as far as I know, he didn’st plan to do it every two weeks, but it seemed to be as soon as the bruises from one healed, I’sd have a bruise from another. So yeah.

At the time, did you cover those bruises up or did you, how did you cope with those effects?

Well I said to you he head-butted me and cracked my nose, when he done that, he like made me not see my family for two weeks. I had to stay in at home because my mum used to take me food shopping and stuff like that, I used to say to her, Yeah, like because my mum didn’st want me involved with [Name] either. Because at this point, social services was involved, but I was hiding him from my mum and social services. When it came to like him doing that to my nose, I couldn’st see my family and anything like that. And then I was always quite open when he used to beat me up, I was quite open about some of the violence. Like if it was just a few pushes and he used to slap me, I used to just let it go over my head. But when he actually pinned me down and hit me with belts and stuff like that, I used to ring my mum any chance I could get, whether it was just quickly running into the kitchen and quickly ringing someone to kind of pick me up, he would then leave the house

Yeah.

and then I’sd get picked up, but because I wouldn’st like, they knew what had happened so I didn’st really need to hide the marks, but I’sd still hide them so they couldn’st see it. But I remember it got to when he hit me with the belt, I got to my mum’s house and it, it was really horrible, if I’m honest, like straightaway one of my mum’s friends, [Name], one of mum’s friends, came up to me, lifted up my back of my t-shirt and goes, Well is that what he done? I’m going to, like I’m going to go crazy. And even that, just the way he done that, I flinched and I was like, What are you doing? like

But how did that progress through the 20 years you were together?

Well it started really mainly as sort of like a, a punch, you know, like a punch in the chest or, you know, a smack round the face. I got a really huge smack round the face one day just because I forgot that the milk was in the fridge in the shop and he had to reopen the doors and reopen the shutter just to get the milk out. So, you know, because there was so much to think about, you know, that was just a silly thing and it got a slap round the face. It was totally, totally uncalled for and unwarranted. But even then, I thought I deserved it [laughs]. He made me feel as though everything he was doing I asked for or it was deserved of me, because I’d done something bad or I’d done something that was not acceptable, you know. Or the main phrase would be, You know I’ve got a temper. You know would you put your head in a lion’s cage, you know, knowing that you’ve got your head, your chance of your head bitten off? You know, he was then just like that saying, Well, you know, don’t wind me up and then you won’t get it.

Yeah.

Not, you know, it was always wasn’t his fault, wasn’t his fault. So that was but it becomes a way of life. You start to think like that and you start to, to think that he’s right in everything he’s saying, and it’s easier to change your habits to change the person that you are, rather than admit that this relationship isn’t what you expected, what you wanted, and how do you even begin to get out? You know, most people probably would have walked away at that point. But because I had a shop and my name was on the lease for nine years, and because I didn’t have a job, I wanted to stay in [Name of city] so, you know, this was where I wanted to stay, so I didn’t want to go home to, to [Name of county in England], so I just put up with it, thinking that, Well, it’s just an off day. It’ll get better. By that time, you know, you haven’t got any money.

We lived in the centre of [name of city], [uh] in a nice place, which I had to clean all the time, and if it wasn’st clean the way how he would want to clean, I would be punished.

Punished in what way?

He would tell me off.

Right.

Like, for example, my duty was to clean the place while he’s at in gym, or going to the gym and I come back from work. After I come back from work I have to clean and cook dinner for him. And he didn’st like the floor being wet when he comes back. And when the floor was wet, he would be extremely angry with me, assuming that I was talking to the phone, over the phone with a friend, or assuming I was lazy and not doing the properly job. One time he came back and I answered him, and I said, I’m going to clean the floor as the way how I want. You’sre not going to talk to me like that anymore. And we went to extremely violent situation. He strangled me

[Gasps]

really badly with his, because we went wrestling [laughs]

Yes.

.and he strangled me with his arm like that. He was a very huge, strong man, he was going to the gym and exercising, and I thought I was going to die

Yes.

because

Yes.

.he was very strong. I started to faint, and then he let me go, and then I realised my hair were falling down continuously and just kind of getting lost. I couldn’st understand what, what’s wrong with my hair, it’s just fall on the floor, and piling like that and apparently when he was strangling me, he took my hair and he pushed like that and I had almost like a big patch here completely bald. He was all shaking and he saying like, Look what happened? Look what you did. Look what you did. You made me do this. And he called his sister and his sister came. She was always supporting him. She would say like, Oh [name of participant], so sorry, I’m so sorry this happened. She would always say that, Well you shouldn’st have done to him, like you shouldn’st have spoken to him like that, or, it was always like she would take his side always.

His temper was getting worse, I was asking him to get help and he kept promising he would, never did. And I think towards the end I sort of realised what was going to happen. And I told him, The first time you lay your fingers on me will be the last, and it happened and I made damn sure it didn’st happen again.

Are you able to describe what happened in that situation?

The actual attack?

Yeah, if that’s OK.

Yeah, it was, it was the morning of Halloween. We’sd just had breakfast, and we’sd had a big fight the day before to the point where I’sd asked him to leave and he’sd actually packed the car up with all his stuff and I’sd actually got the key back from him. He’sd wormed his way back in that night and ended up staying over. And I can’st even remember what started it off, but we were fighting about the firefighters’s strike. Of course, I was wrong because I’m always wrong. I’sve actually got three firefighters in my family. And he was just shouting and I asked him to leave and he got up and started washing the dishes, in his pyjamas. And I asked him to leave again and he ignored me. I actually raised my voice for the first time and told him to leave and he came up to me in the kitchen doorway, got right in my face and was screaming. His face just went purple, he was just screaming in my face. And he went back and picked up the bowl of dishes and slammed it in the sink. There’s bits of glass and ceramic everywhere and my first thought was, Oh my God, the dogs are going to cut their paws.

I said, That’s it, I’m calling the police. I turned around, the minute I put my hand on the phone he came after me. He grabbed my around the throat and had me over the back of the sofa. I don’st remember anything after that other than thinking, This is how it ends. I don’st know what he was saying to me, screaming at me. I don’st know whether I got him off me, or whether he’sd let go of me, I just remember running upstairs to the bathroom in hindsight, probably a stupid place to go because I’sve literally cornered myself, but it’s the only room in the house with a lock on the door. Until I remembered he could unlock it from the outside. It’s just like a slot

Yeah.

if you put a coin or even a nail in. So I sat with my back against the door, waiting for him to start kicking it, and he didn’st. After about twenty minutes I suddenly got it into my head that he was going to hurt the dogs and I opened the door and found him lying on the bedroom floor crying with his arms around [Dog], apologising. Again, I calmly asked him to leave. This time he got dressed and he did. The first thing I did when he left, I made sure all the doors were locked and I phoned my mum. And I told her exactly what had happened because I knew if I did that, that he wouldn’st be welcome by the family anymore. There’s no way I could take him back after that. And I didn’st see him after that.

And told him I didn’st want him in the house any longer.

And how did he react?

He was quite aggressive. He was really angry.

Verbally or physically aggressive?

Both, both and using the children. He came back and he locked himself in this in a bedroom and he started howling and shouting and screaming. And he was hitting furniture and hitting the walls, shouting at me, frightening the children. I told him that he had to, you know, that he had to leave, I didn’st want him there anymore. And he did a lot of crying all over the children about what I was doing to them and how awful I was and what a bad mother I was and everything. And he went off and basically he kept on, he would sort of turn up. And in the end I called the police.

And then work ethics came over me and I thought I’sve got get there, because this university is waiting for me and.

Were you able to go?

I did, I went.

You did?

Yeah.

It’s extraordinary how you managed to hold together, this really powerful, you know demanding job, that is an extraordinary accomplishment.

I went for 2 days and then I phoned one of his friends up and said you need to go and make sure he’s not there because I’m too scared to go in and another friend went and checked my daughter was alright, and he’sd cut all my clothes up, all my clothes were cut up all over, all over the room and his friend, a male friend and he just went I can’st’s believe he’s done all this.

And was that during that time that you were away, or was that, yeah that weekend you were away.

Yeah and we had a basement in the house and that’s where I did all my lectures and everything, and everything, all my files had been shredded and.

Really?

Yeah everything. And I was teaching again, on the Monday.

So how did you manage?

I just re-did it.

Extraordinary resilience that you’sve obviously got.

Oh the days, after a weekend I used to go in at 6 o’sclock and I had been crying right until 6 o’sclock, go in, put on my brave face.

That’s amazing to be able to do that.

Yeah, I don’st know how I did it now.

So after that event.

And then didn’st speak to me.

Had one of those silent periods.

So after that, so I went to my mum’s 80th birthday, still hadn’st told the police and I came back and the house was empty.

Of everything?

Of everything, except things he didn’st want, which he’sd, we had two settees, chairs, leather, he’sd left the three seater but he’sd cut it up, well chopped it up, taken the beds, all the beautiful garden furniture we had, he’sd smashed, and we had, one of the bedrooms was for the children so we used to have a rota and one stayed over at night, they used to call it Nanny Night. All their books, their toys he’sd smashed up, we had chandeliers, taken them down, I’sve got photos I could show you, he’sd stood on them all. In my office, in the basement, I hadn’st been able to get down there for a long time because of the stairs, he’sd taken my computer with all my academic work, with the books I’sd written, you know they were all on there, the research, he’sd taken it all, all my files, my bank details, my savings things, he’sd taken everything. And in the toilet, I can’st even tell you what was in there, you can imagine? In the bathroom. In the downstairs toilet, he’sd taken the sink away because he was a plumber, he’sd taken that away, put it in the, we had a big basement and part of that was his workshop, he’sd put the sink, the basin, work benches off, smashed them up the only thing he hadn’st touched was the loft and that’s what I came back to and then I called the police and then I told them everything.